I did statistical model audit as I do STEM so my skillset is transferable. The salary is pretty good for an undergrad but Iv’e been reading up and I think I’m overqualified for the job…..I think I wouldv’e been a better fit for Investment banking internship. Both are good roles. One possible downside is that I heard if it’s MO in a BB, it is easier to break into FO of a smaller firm. Hi, Brian! You really need something client/deal-facing to have a good shot at PE, so if those are your options, skip GS and get better experience at a smaller bank first. You can move, but it’s not easy, and takes a lot of work (and a strong stomach for rejection). That said, bankers typically go the PE route and don’t need to pursue a CFA designation whereas people in research traditionally go the AM/hedge fund route that values the CFA significantly more. I am really not sure as I have not worked in India before. Took me another 8 months to find another job in RBC Investment as Senior Officer in Operation. HR just facilitates and screens people. Seems like you’ve already made a decision. Recently I have an offer in funds settlement in one the the most important post trade banks in Europe at Brussels. Du kannst 232 Back office Stellenangebote mit unserer Suchmaschine finden. Risk is immensely important in our current financial world, the ability to evaluate risk on customers, portfolios, etc…Has becoming crucial for financial institutions, more so than the sales part, at least in my business. I did an internship in Investment Banking in 2011, but no full time conversion. My plans is to peruse a career in front office roles, as a portfolio analysts, IB or Equity research. I’m 29 coming from another industry (sales/hospitality) and wondering if this is a good transition into finance while I go to school as an undergrad. And how have things changed in the ~10 years since the 2008 financial crisis? I went to a target school and graduated in 2009 (not the best GPA though). That being said, the glory days for most traders are long over. Instead I’m in a new outside new York office and not getting a ton of exposure. You can always network your way into other jobs if you’re persistent enough – it’s 99.99999999999999% about networking and 0.0000000000000001% about the CFA. If you are driven to move to the front office, that might mean that you are naturally more inclined and suited to that kind of work, making it much more likely for you to end up there. i am thinking in the long range, what can my salary be a few years after starting or even later, say after 10 years on the job. Do you think working as a Financial Analyst(budgeting and forecasting etc) in Operations at a Bank will have any sort of exit opportunities. Thanks. I would like to know are MBB research related jobs (e.g. Your email address will not be published. I am a finance graduate and will be taking CFA level 1. Having done engineering, I wasn’t acceptable for any FO roles straight out of undergrad, so the plan was to learn the business before heading to the US/UK for b-school. Thank you. They both then worked until midnight every night, but do have potential for greater income. Sadly one of them was let go, so the risks in the Front Office can be higher, so be careful what you wish for, and if stability and work life balance is important, don’t even think about it. opportunity@exitcaperealty.com. Hey can you guys give me your thoughts on my current track? I think I’d choose based on 1) which team I fit in better with 2) which teams’ boss do I like better 3) which bank I like better, assuming you have no preference whether the program is a rotational one or not. Thanks for your great site – I’m an avid follower and will continue reading in the future. I’m working in Product controls/risk management for credit derivatives now at a bulge bracket, after a bit of a vagabond period (off-broadway theater), I’m trying to figure out if I want to return to a non-finance life or if I want to plow further into the fire (health insurance! I worked with every group in mortgages and interviewed whenever there was an opening until one team took me in. Would the same principle apply with internships. I also know there is a liquidity risk management job within the firm I am going. But it’s not exactly true because unlike most “real” back-office roles, IB Analysts have the chance to advance up the ladder into client-facing roles at the senior levels. I recently received an offer to a top global hedge fund to work in their IT support group, but I’m unsure of the opportunity for growth. My previous mentor has advised me that easiest route is to make a name for myself in the middle office and network to a front office role. Not sure how people will be hiring in the future, but its VERY possible as long as you have the character, the brains and the luck. So I took an offer at that bank in Ops in NYC. So avoid ‘average’ for a top MBA programme, got it. And where does an engineering job go under? I’m confident I’ll be able to get a boutique IB job next year (well hopefully, I’m going to study my ass off to nail down the technicals), but even though there are BB alums from my school, I don’t think I’ll ever get anything at a BB right? 6.) Please refer to our full privacy policy. The pay is also lower end of the scale. I’d choose the job I enjoy the most. Do you consider this likely to do? Thanks! If you’ve attended a non-target school, it can be very helpful to get the brand name of a large bank on your resume. Just do something with risk you can tolerate and be happy. If you want a role in FO for a FT role, this internship will help you (vs the compliance internship). Will this back office experience count against me if I apply for a full time S&T position (at the same bank) after I graduate? I successfully made the transition between back office work to front office work, albeit my experience was a little bit different than most. I have been offered a role at deusche bank to be a global rates t+1 controller which i understand is a MO position the pay is reasonable at £21,000, however i am thinking more in prospective terms, with the current climate not that promising for graduates with litle or no experience (myself with no relevant financial experience), and with grad schemes increasingly more difficult to get onto… would you say starting with this job is a good starting point then transition elsewhere within 1-2 years? So learning about all of those would be a good first step (and to understand them, you need to know something about accounting and the financial statements for banks). I have a Master degree in Financial Engineering from a top school in the Mid West. – People who started in a hard science (math, physics, engineering) fields seem to get ahead of the “finance” and “finance engineering” types far, far faster. I’d: A. 2) I don’t think you really need a CFA if you’re already a chartered accountant and you’re going to get TAS experience. I did it, for one of the top 5 banks in Canada. My chances with IB firms, I mean. Note: i just turned 26 and i am starting to be seriously worried. Yes going back to bschool can help you retool yourself, though people do refer to work experience so if you can gain experience in finance related to the industry you’re covering this will help. Also, funny enough, there’s a LOT of people in IT at this BB with people from top schools (much more than other BO divisions). First of all. Therefore, I have some question about: 1. First question is this considered middle office, and what are my chances of transitioning into the front office after a few years of experience and MBA? Any thoughts on this? I don’t think it’s a great idea to apply to other banks until you’ve exhausted all the possibilities at your current firm first. What do I do? Market was tough so ended up taking a Tech grad program offer from a BB bank Sept last year. Conversely, I could also get into a Big 4 Firm or join small boutique IB firms as an analyst. We are not experts on MO roles so I’d leave that to readers. You maybe a bit older in the MBA program, but this is doable. I struggled a lot about how to decide. Maybe I can leverage my graduate degree and a CFA level 1 to show my commitment. Back office consists of all the support staff – compliance, accounting, trade reconciliation, IT, etc. I will add that I had a killer volunteer/ community service pedigree and I can only guess that that helped a lot. None of this is great for moving into PE because they’re all considered back/middle office. Not too exciting at all. That sounds more like a middle/back office role. The job description said that I’d be working with the corporate finance group on some projects. If there is a financial crisis or things like COVID happen, will BB lay off BO people first? It will be way easier to move back to BO than vice versa!! I was wondering how I could make that transition. Kudos to your friend! Thoughts on taking my top asset manager middle office job plus a top 20 MBA and moving front office at a smaller shop? After reading this article, I can’t help but feel a certain sense of doom. An analyst in tech for a year got a role in IB Enery and Power 2. Most readers here are in the UK or US, so please assume that the advice applies to those regions unless otherwise noted. They offered me a return offer that is actually very competitve, but I’m nervous to take it because of articles like this….My goal is to work for three years and then get an MBA at a top 15 school. I’m kind of scared becuse I know for a fact that my current boss is not happy with my recent performance (I lost motivation since I gained acceptance into the Msc Finance program, ie something better down the line). Thanks for submitting! I think the program would only help if you could take advantage of recruiting there to go for front office roles. So I would worry less about the back office perception and more about those other points. You might be able to move to an outside audit/accounting/business services firm, but I’m not sure what the other viable exit opportunities are. Would my chances be better if I went for jobs which are “prestigious” or or “something completely different”? Also, a role like risk management could be Middle Office if you’re on the trading floor or Back Office if you’re at the corporate headquarters. Delaying my graduation would be well worth it for me not to end up in audit. I just have recently got an offer from Goldman Sachs BO in FP&A teams for their Enginerrig division, And I really think this will give me at least a gatway to reach closer to my dreams. I was looking into moving to strategic consulting, how could I leverage such experience to enter that industry? Internship is 5 month of length that could be extended to fulfill my one year OPT period. Would a job like this be better for making the move to FO than IT or document support? In this case, yes I may accept the opportunity given GS’ brand name and try to transition internally down the line, Serious Quesiton: Was this article written when the perception of IT was geeky kids that just fix broken keyboards? Basically investment support to the HBS/Wharton guys. 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